Note how lots of slicing is provided on a bunch of dimensions except the one that really matters: age groups. Fully willing to bet 60+ is both more likely to answer these surveys and very pro-censorship. If we weighted this survey by remaining life expectancy I bet the results would be inverted.
The youth tend to be much less absolutists for free speech and don't value anonymity as much as the elders of the internet(!), at least that's my observation. They are much more familiar with people who are into all these things for the profits and don't idealise the WWW as the old folks used to. My guess is that they were born in already corrupt world where online professionals were doing everything for money and dirty tricks like rage baiting and astroturfing were already the norm and as a result they don't have a grand mission fantasy about the internet. Also, because they were born in an already online world they don't see the disturbances of trolls as disturbances in their online persona that is a toy for their real persona, they see trolls as trouble makers to their real persona which is fused with their online persona.
Back in the day of forums personal banning wasn't a thing, we had to see everything until someone did something bad enough to be deplatformed from the forum. In the current social media, you can just block people you don't like, you don't have to endure their "content".
The censorship is built-in in modern platforms. I prefer the old ways personally but in the old days the profile of the people was different.
Not people doesn't mean that they must be bots, IMHO it means not people who are having opinions but social media workers or entrepreneurs who are having opinions based on metrics that fulfill their KPI which are often stuff like increase engagement, increase followers, increase revenue, get a talking point into the trends, make people talk about a brand or a politician etc. Many large accounts on Twitter are openly corporate accounts of some social media companies and many others are freelancers.
People are not having concerned citizen ideas 24 hours a day everyday, those are obviously professionals who are having concerns about the society, race, jews etc in order to fulfill some goals. Those are not real people, you won't be able to change their minds with argumentation because they don't speak their mind in first place. That's for Twitter of course, in other places they have other productions like "tradwifes" on Instagram or reviewers on Youtube. They are all businesses or indies trying to become businesses. They all use analytics and do A/B testing to acquire and steer their content ideas to the platforms liking. Platforms decide what will be shown to the users, they of course need to run their own business and they also pursue their own KPIs but as cost of doing business they allow other businesses to insert their KPI into the algorithm in exchange of money or favors. For example when there's a new movie release upcoming they can pay the platform to boost engagement on content about their movie, platforms also incentivize the creation of such content by paying certain influencers if they create a content that feeds into the campaign(i.e. if they do a dance from a movie that is being promoted they get paid if their dance video meets the quota). They can do all this for consumer products but they can do it for political stuff too.
Almost no genuine content, its all one big reality show all orchestrated by the big tech. I mean sure, there is genuine content but they are all fillers or trying to win against the flow.
just google it ( https://www.google.com/search?q=how+much+of+twitter+is+bots+... ) and then go through what you believe is right and makes sense to you. I don’t use social media myself for over 6 years now but when I take my wife’s phone I haven’t seen many people anywhere other than influencers :)
The irony is that youth are simulatenously the biggest consumers of (new) social media, and the staunchest haters [EDIT: this is directly contradicted by the research article I found below…]. I can’t find the source so take it with a grain of salt, but I’ve read that something like 80% of TikTok users under some age think they’d be happier if it didn’t exist and/or wish it didn’t exist.
I don’t think this is really an issue of censorship to a lot of people (though that may be how it shakes out in the government) but rather of control over their digital environment and sanity.
EDIT: I don’t think this is what I’m remembering, but it has concrete numbers somewhat lower than I thought (48% of teens think social media harms people their age, but only 14% think it harms them personally) https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2025/04/22/teens-social...
Interesting, that you equal social media regulation = pro censorship.
Btw every age group over 30 has a majority to imitate Australian model in Germany.
Even lower 30 there is only a small relative majority against it. So no, your hypothesis for Germany
is wrong.
https://www.bild.de/politik/inland/social-media-verbot-deuts...
No it is not necessarily. For example forcing to have a chronical timeline on followers would be strong social media regulation but no censorship even in the broadest terms.
If you want to say "Enforcing regulation equals censorship", that is fine by me. For many, there could be a difference between them, as they reserve censorship to unjust regulation.
That would be a matter of linguistics, and I can't say which of both definitions is true.
Ok but the parent commentator invoked a contract. If there is no consent there is no contract. Simply stating that one is bound by laws isn't a justification, it's just an observation.
Maybe we should listen to those that have more experience and perspective of living without social media as they can see the difference of having/not having it more clearly?
The article contains the questions they asked. The questions are only asking about social media. Specifically whether social media is sufficiently regulated and whether political advertising should be allowed on social media.
It does not mention surveillance, and it's not about tech in general. The title is misleading. (Edit: the OP kindly updated the title and it's no longer misleading)
Admittedly, I skimmed through the article, but there’s an ongoing discussion around regulation of biometrics, other personal indicators, and privacy (not covered in this article).
From reading the page the study “examines public attitudes social media regulation and banning political advertising from social platforms.”
The question: To what extent, if at all, would you support or oppose banning political adverts from being shown on social media platforms?
They conclude with: Voters for far-right parties are frequently less likely to support banning of political advertising on social media … and less likely to think regulations are too lax … typically less likely to think social media regulations are too relaxed (with Italy being an exception).
> They conclude with: Voters for far-right parties are frequently less likely to support banning of political advertising on social media
Maybe the issue here is that many political options have social media and underground marketing as their only option due to heavy bias and censorship on European traditional media.
Even the term used here "far right" is an euphemism for opinions not approved by governing European regimes.
So what? That changes nothing about their policies and views.
Ernst Röhm was one of the most powerful people in early Nazi Germany and famously gay. And still, the NSDAP brutally and systemically persecuted queer people.
You act as if hypocrisy, bigotry, moral flexibility and opportunism weren't core "virtues" of far right populists.
With Röhm you are close to Goodwin. The difference is Röhm was hiding his sexual preferences, while Weidel is pretty open about it. Röhm was killed because of it by his party members. Weidels sexual preference is a non issue for AfD members.
Your comparison with Röhm just shows once more that AfD policies are quite opposite to those of the NSDAP.
what? is this serios? to quote my link from the most major jewish organisation:
"Die Zeit der nationalsozialistischen Gewaltherrschaft mit Millionen getöteter Juden, Sinti und Roma, Homosexueller und politisch Verfolgter ist für den Fraktionsvorsitzenden der AfD lediglich ein „Vogelschiss“. Die darin zum Ausdruck gebrachte Haltung verharmlost in unerträglicher Weise die Gräuel der Geschichte. So wie vor wenigen Jahren bei Pegida oder in Chemnitz laufen AfD-Politiker nun bei Querdenker-Demos neben Hooligans und Rechtsextremen. "
Maybe get out of your buble. Most jewish and gay people despise the AfD. Most jewish and gay people want to leave the country in case of AfD majority. But hey Im talking to an account calling the AfD "most pro-jewish" party.
Yes, that is an opinion you are supposed to have. You are supposed to associate the regime's class enemies with nazis and communists so that their claims can be dismissed without a single rational thought. "They beat up jews and gays!" is a great way to avoid having a difficult conversation about the regime's blatantly hostile policies against their own people.
> It [regime] is used colloquially by some, such as government officials, media journalists, and policy makers, when referring to governments that they believe are repressive, undemocratic, or illegitimate or simply do not square with the person’s own view of the world.
Yes? The Primae Noctis party would largely be “censored” in current social circles.
The fact that we can use money to saturate the information economy, and create the perception of validity, is a form of market manipulation that is used extensively today. See “Intelligent Design” for a great example of how that was applied in America.
These ideological beach heads are strategized and implemented by media consultants, and media owners. Yet this is protected speech. All the while actual fact checkers, researchers and content moderation efforts are censorial.
This super simplistic interpretation of how speech operates in the modern world is now more abused by attackers, than of explanatory value to defenders.
I would really love if people were somehow more interested in the way modern persuasion techniques are applied. At least that way we would have more interesting conversations on how to have checks and balances that work.
The current government constantly violates the consitution, they are still trying to implement Vorratsdatenspeicherung which was ruled illegal by the constitutional court. The former government tried to change how elections work with the goal of kicking out opposition parties. And for the current elections there still wasn't a needed re-count because the organisation that needs to approve a re-count is the current government themselves. How is any of that in line with the consitution? It's ever only an argument when it's the "side I don't like".
It’s funny when people blame opposition for things regime says they would do if they come to power, but tolerate all autocratic tendencies of the current regime. The self-elected one, as you point out.
Edit: self-approved is better term, since without recount of votes we still don’t know if current regime has a majority.
> Which of actual AfD policies are actually far right?
What about most of them? Just look at who they are teaming with in the European Parliament. Or what they say about themselves. That should give you a hint.
> I am ignoring this link since its main source is Corrective, propaganda outlet funded by the German regime.
Right. It’s just what (((they))) want you to believe.
I named various one of them and other provide some links.. You just called the AfD pro-jewish party while most jews despite the party. I think you might just be to check the sources.
To you edit: Again, you are ignoring the issue I raised: Whitewashing nazi issues(not the casual nazi labels we have seen these days, but the actual Nazi Germany) would be considered far right.
This is about the actual fact about whitewashing the actual historical Nazi Germany. So I would take it as you are dodging the question and you are agreeing with my previous criteria:
The people or organization whitewashing the actual historical Nazi Germany issues would be considered as far right.
I am saying the act of whitewashing nazi issues(not the casual nazi labels we have seen these days, but the actual Nazi Germany) would be considered far right. Do you agree that this happened?
No one is calling everyone nazi in this thread. Who are you referring to?
> EDIT: I am ignoring this link since its main source is Corrective, propaganda outlet funded by the German regime.
Well, if you ignore all the evidence you consider inconvenient, you could, you know, read their own self-description as "right wing" and combine that with the observation of them being too right wing for the other right wing parties.
you are here https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/afd-verfassung...
"EDIT: I am ignoring this link since its main source is Corrective, propaganda outlet funded by the German regime" Maybe they just publish what you don't like. They are a left outlet but certainly not pro government.
> Even the term used here "far right" is an euphemism for opinions not approved by governing European regimes.
Seriously. We know what far right is. It’s close to mainstream or mainstream in all EU countries. It is not suppressed anywhere, except for the nazi party in Germany. I mean, even AfD, which is as close as it gets, can still present candidates and campaign for them.
And we have plenty of experience of what happens when they come to power. You can stop clutching your pearls.
"Far right" isn't a euphemism for anything, it's exactly what it is. Countries that collapsed into actual fascism (e.g. Germany, Italy, Spain) within living memory, which then spent the subsequent century abutting the monstrosity of a totalitarian Communist regime ("far left") are indeed reluctant to air "far right" and "far left" views because they understand how they play out in practice: global war killing tens of millions, millions of civilians dead at the hands of their own state-sponsored militaries, a legacy of atrocity that will never wash clean, utter economic and cultural devastation echoing for decades... just an absolutely sickening inversion of the human spirit and what people want to believe in as citizens.
"Far right" views are far right views. They are morally repulsive in the extreme. We've witnessed the consequences before.
Somehow the modern right are the most opposed to government intervention these days, so I would expect them to be the majority in opposition to almost any proposed regulation or legislation, regardless of the contents.
EU commision has a centre right head. Germany has a centre right head. Italy has Meloni. Yet most people in these countries want more social media regulation.
My pet idea (which I'm also reluctant to fully get behind):
Participation in social media (including comments sections in newspapers, etc) only with verified identities but behind some sort of escrow (so that you're anonymous to the public and also the platform... until you break the law by threatening SA or similar).
Why?
Bots, trolls, etc are a huge problem and if only actual people could post, this would a bit harder for bad actors.
There are plenty of "easy money working from home" scams where the victim/patsy is a regular person duped into criminal activities like mail forwarding packages bought with stolen credit cards. I wonder if the same ecosystem would crop up around such an identity scheme.
media structures can be used as arms. most of the current media content is not "speech" (opinion, human talk, etc.) but targeted consumer or political product. both of them are regulated on their traditional platforms but not on new tech, and the big tech tries to avoid it, escaping behind the "free speech" lie.
I've changed the title to be more precise (from tech regulation to social media regulation).
It's important though, that attempts from foreign governmental entities (you might guess which country) might backfire if it's against popular policy decisions.
I'm not sure if this foreign government is aware of it.
I think we should shut down the current crop of social media
but that isn't going to happen anytime soon.
I think an easier way to achieves instead of imposing this on everyone.
Social media companies should be required to add paid tier where
the individual user can block the types of the user does not want
to see, (or just block all of them).
In some places perhaps the government would ban "free social media"
and only allow the paid tier to operate.
This in the best case would make the price reasonably low, if the
social media company does not want to lose a lot of users.
Perhaps even subsidised. At which point the goal set above is
achieved.
It should be regulated similar to online gambling in the UK (so barely, but it is a start).
The key being age verification. Under 18, or maybe 16 accounts have: Mandatory blackout periods (after 9pm most account functions stop working, parents could set this more aggressively if they cared about the child's studies). Interaction limits like time spent on feeds, type of content that will appear in feeds, number of friends, visibility of comments ect. Only one account allowed and enforcement taken seriously.
Over 16/18s should have the option to "time themselves out" for a chosen period with their account going into a limited mode where feeds no longer work . Similar to the option problem gamblers have where gambling sites are supposed to stop them playing if they block themselves. Maybe when someone needs to focus for exams or a work commitment.
Sure kids will try and get round limits, but I think when you have investment in a main account it would be something you would want to keep, so the threat of loosing it would be real.
This is a poorly worded survey. Everyone wants bad things to happen to things they don't like. Government regulation is a bad thing, nothing government does has good outcomes. Usually government regulators get captured by someone and corrupted, or they just create a lot of inefficiency and headaches for everyone.
The questions seem more focused around social media but I wish there were more safeguards to stop us (I’m talking as an EU citizen) from crashing and burning when the AI bubble pops.
I don't condone more regulation if it means decreasing the public's voice. Some things a society should endure in order to LEARN or GROW as a society or a person. There are things worth keeping out of that sphere but it's minimally relevant to this legal push. After all "far right" is not the issue, it's far left.
A good start would be government officials and institutions to stop relying on and promoting (on) them. Ministers in office shouldn't be using them to communicate with their constituents. Public service broadcasters shouldn't be publishing on them.
Then it would be great of the population follows.
But it is certainly not the role of government to decide what foreign communications services their citizens can access.
Autoritarian censorship is not a democratic tool even if other apparently democratic countries are doing it.
It's not censorship to defend against cyberwarfare.
An overly simplistic approach to free speech is naive and counterproductive in a modern environment. These aren't serious people having a reasonable discussion. They are propagandists on a psyop platform, design to sow discontent in our democratic structures.
The line of defense is not banning and silencing, people will get around that and you just make free advertisement. Will you fine or detain people reading banned opinions?
The actual defense is proper education and healthy, welcoming, accepting society. That is harder to make and maintain than banning IPs, the western world by and large cheaped out and stopped caring since the 80s.
This "we, >smart< people will be able to >illegally< disable these artificial barriers, but those >old aged dumb people< will and should not" plan is not really a good setup for enforcing a "democratic" order. It is a much more authoritarian and naive approach, and a similar system is what led to the recent rise in social bubbles, conspiracy and fascism. For a more specific example, it made western society believe racism was a solved case since the 80s, because us, "smart people" controlled the mainstream discourse.
Absolute and true freedom of speech, with all its drawbacks and legal greyzones needs to exist.
We ban accounts that post like this, regardless of how right they are or feel they are, so it would be good if you'd review the rules and stick to them.
> as the European Union (and former EU states like the UK) are transparently run like banana republics whose barely-elected bureaucrats run them like their own little ramshackle empire for their personal enrichment
Bold Statement. I wonder though, could you offer examples of places in the world today where it is being done otherwise?
Also someone whose name is Earl (norsk-germanic for King) and King.. you seem to be hell bent on an anti-european slant.. whilst having a pretty European name.
Quite right. Don't listen or you'll one day have America run like an empire for the personal enrichment of a king who doesn't respect the democratic process. That would be awful.
Sorry! Actually I am glad to be reassured that the comment I replied to is still considered egregious. The sentiments being expressed in that comment seemed genuinely similar to those of US secretary of state Marco Rubio when he revoked the US visas of two European CEOs from the "Centre for Countering Digital Hate" and the "Global Disinformation Index" today. The reason he gave was "Extraterritorial overreach by foreign censors targeting American speech". Perhaps that act was egregious too. But in this context a comment which accused Europeans of meddling in US affairs and threatening to kick them out did seem plausible.
Of course the comment I replied to went much further than kicking people out of America and into crazy land with a suggestion that we kick Europeans off the internet! This should have been a give away... Again I'm sorry and will refrain in future.
DSA only applies to Social Media doing in Europe. X can leave if they want. But since you believe gay men or jews aren't threated by nazis in Germany i'm not sure how to convince you anyway.
For what it's worth, I'm European, and I disagree with the US on many things, but I'm not gonna dismiss all Americans' point of view because of that, regardless of how bad I think the country does things. Even the most horrible practices, can have small helpful ideas, that you can cherry-pick. But, no one is forcing you to do so, just like no one can really force us off the internet either.
> the freedom of speech, the right to privacy, obscenity, or indeed anything of import online
That's funny - the EU has better digital laws protecting the average Joe than the US could ever muster in the current climate... GDPR, DMA, etc. You decry 'censorship' and 'barely-elected bureaucrats' while the US is controlled by the billionaire class.
If you don't care, why do you comment?
Recent actions show the US government cares. And it might be good to know how people would act on the actions.
(Also check your assumption about other countries.)
Let me guess, you only see freedom of speech from the perspective of those who speak and not of those who don’t dare to speak because of online harassment. Strangely enough their freedom of speech doesn’t seem to matter for people who justify things like hate speech under the label of free speech.
In a society freedoms are compromises. Absolute freedoms means all for some and nothing for the rest.
The EU at least tries a balance.
Countries like the US don’t seem to care and seem to favor the strongest or even sociopaths.
Pretty much. Make your own internet. Put your own trillions of dollars into development and startups and innovation. Build out your own server infrastructure, satellite networks, build your own network gear.
If they want access to American tech and services, they should have to live with American regulation and jurisdiction.
Petty tyrannical clowns who shouldn't be running a lemonade stand, let alone "major" world governments, should have nothing to do with anything more technical than a pocket calculator unless their own people developed it.
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