If the products are smart even if I don't want them to be, it's even easier for them to not have this certification badge, even if I want them to.

I wasn’t talking about the hypothetical certification. I was talking about this:

> I think the group of people who would buy something with "smart" in the name and also really care about reliability is pretty small.

Oh yes, that's true. A lot of people probably end up with smart stuff who might rather have dumb things.

Definitely. I bought a smart tv because I wanted an OLED and at the time there were no dumb OLED tvs. I imagine that’s still the case.