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> Zeiss

Since when is Zeiss Swiss and not German?

Also if ASML is partially US owned so are all major US tech companies partially “EU owned” in a similar way.


Bayer owns Monsanto for instance.


> It's exactly what's happening: what used to be leaders in ICE cars are now the laughing stocks of the EV world.

This is really nonsense. VAG, BMW and Mercedes have been making good EVs for many years and are now progressing to making excellent ones. They only really lag Tesla on the software/hardware integration (and that isn't actually much of a selling point outside the HN crowd) while they lead on more traditional points like cabin quality.

If you previously wanted to drive a Golf (and tens of millions of people did), then you're likely to want to drive an ID.3, ID.4 or Enyaq. If you previously wanted to drive a Passat, then you're likely to want to drive an ID.7. If you liked the BMW saloons, you'll like the i4. Mercedes are a little further behind, but they're getting there with the EQE.

If I wanted to bet on the shape of the European car market in five years, I'd be betting on German, Korean and Chinese EVs dominating. I don't see much future for American brands on this side of the Atlantic.


Why stick around if you have this amount of pent-up hatred and disgust for the EU, the people who live here, and everything they believe in at a fundamental ideological level?

If you believe the grass is so much greener on the other side then why not just go for it? Judging by your nickname I'm assuming that you have the means to move just about anywhere if you really wanted to, but I think you'll be sorely disappointed no matter where you end up going.


> I'm not that concern for the US: lifestyle may go down a bit, but the US is a country of do'ers.

Yeah, drug do'ers.


Whats stopping you? You sound like jaded old fool who made some serious irreversible mistakes in their lives, and now just overflowing with regret and hate.

EU may be foolish in some aspects, I agree there, but life quality as in actual daily levels of stress, happiness, quality of life, quality and costs of basic services that take care of weak (which one day you will inevitably become too) is stellar and parsecs better what people in same position in life can rely on ie in US. Or crime level. Or free decent education.

But we have freedom, you don't like a place then trivially move, if your skills are worth its salt. You can spend rest of your life in society that has different priorities and thrive there, if you can.


The question is whether this life quality is sustainable long term.

Of course, the same goes even more so for US.




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