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"From the river to the sea" comes from the Likud policy program, which says there will be an israeli jewish state in that area. The palestinian slogan finishes with "Palestine will be free", without stating that it would cover the entire area.

Israel has been sabotaging peace talks and applying divide et impera politics in the region since it was created.

Sheikh Yassin, the paraplegic spiritual leader of the Hamas movement was quite clear that their beef wasn't with the jews, but with the occupation and apartheid. He was assassinated by Israel in 2004. In hindsight Hamas was correct in not trusting the israelis in the Oslo talks.

It's more like 700000 jews that would definitely need to move, i.e. the illegal settlers in the West Bank and Jerusalem.



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> There are no illegal settlements, Israel won wars the Arab nations started in 48 and 67 and 73.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/09/world/middleeast/israel-s...

"Israel’s Supreme Court on Tuesday overwhelmingly rejected a 2017 law that would have allowed for the retroactive legalization of thousands of Jewish homes built on occupied West Bank land privately owned by Palestinians, a law so provocative that few believed when it was passed that it would survive judicial review."

"Those homes — already viewed as illegal by most of the world under international law, for having been built in occupied territory — will now remain illegal under Israeli law as well, and Palestinian landowners will be able to proceed with lawsuits seeking to evict the people living in them and recover their property."

> The original Hamas charter (that was never revoked) calls for the murder of Jews.

And the original charter of Netanyahu's political party says "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty".


> And the original charter of Netanyahu's political party says "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty".

Yes. Arabs got all of Jordan. That you see Likud’s charter stating Jews want a smaller version of their historical homeland as being comparable to Hamas charter calling for the murder of all Jews says more about you than it does about Likud.


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> Will you also address the point that giving arabs more land will not make them stop wanting to destroy Jews?

I'd address that point by noting that one of Hamas's likely goals in the Oct 7 attack was to prevent the upcoming Saudi diplomatic recognition of Israel. https://www.politico.eu/article/saudi-arabia-israel-deal-tat... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67922238

You're doing a lot of conflating Jews with Israel/Zionism/Netanyahu, and Arabs/Muslims/Palestinians with Hamas. There's a reason no one reputable is calling this the "Arab-Jewish War".


The only reason Israel exists is because of U.S. If we were to withdraw support Israel would be gone within months. This goes against the central part of your argument that "Israel won wars of ..." and gets to keep lands, legal or illegal. There is no in-between, US wants/needs Israel in the region and here we are.


OK, so stop me.

OK, so you also disagree with the Fourth Geneva Convention, then? You'd be fine with Syria joining forces with Hezbollah and iraqi militias to take Golan and north of Israel by force and expelling or subduing through apartheid whatever population they come across? I have a feeling that e.g. the small groups of circassians that still exist and live in northern Israel might disagree with you and prefer another international legal order.

I don't think it's made to appease "Western Hamas supporters". They've clarified that the enemy is zionists, which is a much larger group than "the Jews", as the previous charter put it. Some, like you, seem to interpret "the Jews" in the old text as 'all the jews in the world', while Hamas leaders have said that they meant the jews of Israel. Ahmed Yassin has said, on camera, that his movement doesn't have a problem with jews, but with occupiers, and that if a muslim stole his land he would resist that too.

A problem with your interpretation is that many palestinians aren't aware that there are jews elsewhere in the world, or that zionism is a predominantly christian project rather than a jewish one, so when they are refering to 'the jews' one needs to figure out whether they mean israeli jews or jews in general.

Has the UN demanded that Poland and France do so? Are Poland and France states imposing apartheid on germans, or have they ethnically cleansed these areas?

Kinda weird racist remark about arabs being inherently genocidal at the end there. Maybe edit it and make it less weird?




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