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Can you please make your substantive points without fulmination or flamewar? That's always possible, and we're trying for something else on this site.

I know these topics are important and the feelings are understandable but the problem is that on an online forum, this kind of rhetoric becomes just-more-internet-drama-noise, which doesn't do anybody any good and drowns out the quieter, more curious conversation we're hoping for here.

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Yea let's just keep workers in such a precarious state that they not only must sell their labor for pennies, but incredibly they must now supply the capital to the corporation, all to do a job that isn't even necessary for a human to do, is hazardous for the worker and the public, and generates tremendous amounts of pollution. Why the "optics" aren't already absolute dog shit is left as an exercise for the reader.


This is a strawman. He's advocating that things shouldn't become worse than they are, you are ignoring that point and instead just talking about how bad things are now (without any regard to how worse this would make it).


No. I'm arguing that a clean, electric fleet of autonomous cars, that would maim and kill far fewer people, where the capital is provided by the corporation instead of being extracted from workers through deception, would be a vast improvement over the status quo. We don't need to perpetuate a system of pollution, exploitation, injury, death just so workers can busy themselves performing unnecessary tasks for starvation wages.


Now we will generate the pollution without having to pay anyone anything! Progress!


Low-paying jobs don't exist to let poor people have jobs. Low paying jobs, among a wealth of other things, keep poor people poor.


Shunting away low-paying (usually with low education requirement) jobs doesn’t magically move people up the job totem pole. Those people need to be retrained, and during that training they still need to make a living, preferably above subsistence level.


Unemployed is the lowest paying job possible.


Don’t tell HN that, it would make them upset.


On the other hand poor people who can't afford car ownership would get much more mobility and access to jobs and services if really cheap autonomous car sharing takes off.




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