I agree with that symlink spaghetti for a long time comment.. It seems harsh to fedora to say they feel a need for a revolution.. i really don't follow release cycles/linux versions... close enough.. but my upgrade experiences so far(Fedora 8-13 vs Ubuntu 8-11.10) indicate it's ubuntu that feel a need to make revolutionary change.. i.e: to say, i have gone wtf more times searching for some custom setting on ubuntu menu's than fedora's