Without any shred of evidence? Lmao. Lets start with the privacy policy [1]
"We may also use content posted in public spaces to help power features like Server Discovery and to help us identify harmful content on the services."
So they monitor all chat for badthink.
"We collect information about the device you are using to access the services. This includes information like your IP address, operating system information, browser information, and information about your device settings, such as your microphone and/or camera."
Inappropriate access to hardware and private information.
"We may collect or share personal data if we think someone’s life is in danger—for example, to help resolve an urgent medical situation."
So not only do they monitor chat they monitor it for someone's life being in danger. Not sure how this is their responsibility.
> We may share information in response to a request for information if we believe disclosure is required by law, including meeting national security or law enforcement requirements
Say something 2 years ago that is logged forever and law enforcement goes on a fishing expedition when the party in power thinks its wrongthink.
> We retain personal information for as long as it is needed for the purposes for which we collected it.
Information is never deleted.
There's even more in the privacy policy but I'm not going to keep rooting around in it to prove my point that you're wrong.
Funding [2]
Discord has taken funding from Tencent which means they're liable to the CCP. Moreover, the list of funders includes large companies known for suing/taking legal action against users historically. Sony, for example.
Moreover EVERYTHING YOU DO including interacting on unrelated websites that support discord goes to them. They MINE YOUR DATA and you have no control over it.
Your argument my claims are gradiose is false on its face. I assume you're a paid shill. Discord is spyware by any other name. Maybe you're willing to accept the risks but most people use it ignorant of the fact they are as bad as Facebook when it comes to spying.
"Badthink"? Please. They engage in automatic moderation based on keywords and maybe some ML to detect spam, like any other company. And only based on chats that happen in already-public servers that have opted into the server discovery feature.
> Inappropriate access to hardware and private information.
Inappropriate? Private information? Name one server that wouldn't store some analytics data about your user agent and IP.
> So not only do they monitor chat they monitor it for someone's life being in danger. Not sure how this is their responsibility.
If Discord gets a T&S ticket about a possible suicide attempt, what do you think they should do about it, ignore it? I would hope that Discord would use their best judgement and the information at their disposal to notify the proper authorities, as long as the authorities in question could be trusted to act in a non-confrontational manner (unfortunately, most can't and often inflame the situation)
> Say something 2 years ago that is logged forever and law enforcement goes on a fishing expedition when the party in power thinks its wrongthink.
Okay, and? How is that "discord is just spying equipment"? If you have a server with archival logs and search capabilities, which are feature that users really, really value out of discord compared to e.g. IRC, then you're not going to get out of the requirement to present those logs to authorities if legally required.
> "Badthink"? Please. They engage in automatic moderation based on keywords and maybe some ML to detect spam, like any other company. And only based on chats that happen in already-public servers that have opted into the server discovery feature.
Even if you call it "automatic moderation" it is a privacy violation. I don't really are how you spin it.
> Inappropriate? Private information? Name one server that wouldn't store some analytics data about your user agent and IP.
Just because it's done often doesn't mean it has to be done. There's a difference between incidental IP storage via a firewall or edge router, and actively storing the running applications, IP address, geolocation data, camera status, images, etc on a device. One is incidental (to make that abundantly clear) and the other is deliberate spying.
> If Discord gets a T&S ticket about a possible suicide attempt, what do you think they should do about it, ignore it? I would hope that Discord would use their best judgement and the information at their disposal to notify the proper authorities, as long as the authorities in question could be trusted to act in a non-confrontational manner (unfortunately, most can't and often inflame the situation)
I can think of all the fun ways this could be abused to SWAT someone. Again to restate the conclusion: it is not discords problem. Legally, or otherwise. It likely endangers people more than it helps, and of the people it does help, they are likely better serviced by the people in the channel or their family and friends.
> Okay, and? How is that "discord is just spying equipment"? If you have a server with archival logs and search capabilities, which are feature that users really, really value out of discord compared to e.g. IRC, then you're not going to get out of the requirement to present those logs to authorities if legally required.
First, you're not required by any law enforcement to carry logs. A subpoena can ask you for logs, but if you have none there's most likely nothing they can do. If you get busted withholding data with a valid judge signed a court ordered subpoena then you are in trouble. Do you honestly believe they'll send the marshals to your door when you say honestly and under oath you have no data to give? If they want logs they'll just tap the line. See room 641a, and assume that they likely have one in every telco and every major service including discord. If they really want the data they will go to great lengths to get you to do something to give it to them (See: Edward Snowden's case) but this instances are so extremely rare they almost aren't worth considering.
I've ran online services for a number of years, worked in numerous companies, and none of them had a legal department for logs of chat. Since email is persisted it can be subpoena'd easier. Same with SMS, etc. IRC logs, etc can be transient (they really aren't needed) and so are far less likely to be requested.
Further, storage of logs pursuant to lawful warrants where the user base is notified of the existence of a search ongoing is different than logs who are given, without a fight, to authorities.
Discord falls into the category of services that give up information without a fight. This is, yet again, another privacy violation on several terms.
You honestly cannot argue that we should accept these violations as normal. The constant encroachment of corporations and law enforcement into our homes is bordering on constitutional levels of violation. If you don't recognize this stuff and act to stop it, it will simply get worse. They already convinced 93% of the earth to carry a tracking device in their pocket. Now you're being followed around in great detail on every major website and every major chat platform. Arguments aside, the only people not worried about this work for Them.
