> What do we do if their parents end up unable to work due to long term COVID or worse their parents die?
What will my mother's friend's family do after their father, husband and sole provider died within 10 minutes of taking the vaccine, right there on the spot, on the vaccine queue? (Answer: the family almost got evicted by the way. And lived in poverty for 7-8 months before recovering.)
> Someone having the vaccine also doesn't increase the risk of someone else dying. It's pretty simple.
This is a non-sequitur. I ask the reverse: how do I help society by vaccinating? Judging by the contemporary info out there -- I don't in any way or form. I don't reduce the spread and I won't reduce my symptoms because I got through it 3 times without realizing and only the first time was bad (and it was before the news of the pandemic even started so I couldn't have known; and there were no vaccines back then so I had no choice).
Your reply is not helpful.
> Simple statistics show that the risk of dying by taking the vaccine is significantly lower than the risk of dying from covid.
So it's okay if people die of taking the vaccine but it's not okay if they die of Covid? Got it, thanks.
"Smaller percent" is a very inhumane way of looking at it. You're counting lives as if they are rice grains. You should be ashamed of yourself. People still die, regardless of percents.
It's IMO understandable that many elders in my country decide against the vaccine because in many of them it evokes a severe immune response that carries an actual risk of death on the same day. Do you just write them off with "they are a smaller percent than Covid deaths"? How humane of you.
You're clearly uninformed on vaccination issues and spreading FUD in the process. Trying to paint me as insensitive is a cute tactic to hide your ignorance.
Vaccination helps reduce the risk of you catching the virus, spreading the virus, reduces the risk of hospitalization, reduces the risk of you taking medical resources from someone else.
The risk of a "severe immune response that will cause death" is statistically MUCH lower than the risk of catching and dying from covid.
Not accommodating your sealioning is the humane response.
> Trying to paint me as insensitive is a cute tactic to hide your ignorance.
You should tone down the conspiracy theorist act and look for actual human beings with worries and a lot to lose because, you know, that's exactly what's going on.
> how do I help society by vaccinating? Judging by the contemporary info out there -- I don't in any way or form.
> So it's okay if people die of taking the vaccine but it's not okay if they die of Covid? Got it, thanks.
The US is sitting on 860K deaths from 60m cases. A bit over 1%.
Vaccine related deaths are about 6k2 in 187m people. Or 0.0018%.
It's only no help if you consider reducing deaths by orders of magnitude and freeing up resources for the more needy "nothing".
You also need to stop thinking about individuals when talking about public health policies. It sucks but at population levels you're talking about millions of faceless individuals.
Within the vaccine-eligible population of Scotland aged 65–79 years, the death rate per 10 000 person-years was 64·8 for unvaccinated individuals and 4·2 for fully vaccinated individuals. This difference in death rate was most marked in the population older than 80 years (14·0 deaths per 10 000 person-years for fully vaccinated vs 420·1 deaths per 10 000 person-years for unvaccinated individuals older than 80 years) but attenuated in individuals aged 18–64 years (0·8 deaths per 10 000 person-years for fully vaccinated vs 3·1 deaths per 10 000 person-years for unvaccinated individuals aged 18–64 years). For fully vaccinated individuals who subsequently tested positive, there was a median of 8·0 days (IQR 5–13) between a positive test and dying of COVID-19.
I still don't understand how I'm helping society by vaccinating. Almost all scientists out there are saying that the vaccines don't stop the spread. So I won't contribute anything, plus I'm not keen on getting myocarditis while I'm in a shaky health condition due to pre-diabetic condition.
So why should I do it? I will not help anybody (and no I won't hog an ICU bed).
I encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated but your numbers are way off. The CDC estimated that as of September 2021 there had been 146M infections in the US, not 60M.
It is possible, allergic reactions like anaphylaxis will set in between 10 and 15 minutes. These can be life-threatening if not treated immediately. The rate of anaphylaxis is 7 per million shots given.
That's why after receiving the vaccine you are supposed to wait 15 minutes so a medical professional can observe you for symptoms.
Not sure what happened in this case, but if it did happen it's likely someone botched the anaphylaxis response.
What will my mother's friend's family do after their father, husband and sole provider died within 10 minutes of taking the vaccine, right there on the spot, on the vaccine queue? (Answer: the family almost got evicted by the way. And lived in poverty for 7-8 months before recovering.)
Where do we draw the line, I ask?