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> Google gonna Google. They’ve been dangling carrots in front of publishers for twenty-one years.


I don't buy it. If that's true, how come all of the top results I get are slow, heavy bloated sites, yet small, simple, fast sites are ~10 pages deep?


Sure, speed should be a ranking factor, but I'd much rather have a slow site that's relevant than a fast one that isn't.


How about a relevant page that is fast. We can have the best of both worlds.


Wouldn't that be nice. But Google don't control how relevant or fast something is, they can only decide how to rank them.


... thats my point.

This is a problem that Google created. If they would prioritize small, simple, fast sites, and rank them higher, people would make more sites like that. Google is the one pushing slow, bloated sites to the top of the list. Now they are coming in to "fix" the problem that they made.


But that's the point: AMP allows far richer pages than just totally cutting out Javascript. Like it or not, the web is an application platform.


What does amp give me that a non-js page can't?

Also, applications aren't the target for amp.


Can you write a carousel without JS? A live blog? Lazy loading images and ads? A stateful e-commerce product page?

Have a look through the list of AMP components, you'll be surprised what's possible. https://www.ampproject.org/docs/reference/components


Good examples, but none of that is anything that I want. I'd much prefer small, simple, static pages to any of that. Additionally, they will load faster, and be easier to read. Those things are just trimming pages down to what Google wants, not users.


As somebody who has implemented AMP for a major newspaper, these are in fact things that publishers want.


Adding shit because publishers want them is how things got so bloated in the first place. If it weren't for that we wouldn't need AMP.


And as a user: IDGAF what publishers want. Sorry, they had their chance and blew it. And this is the problem: Publishers increasingly are ignoring what their users want. Instead of providing quality products, they keep circling the drain to get the lowest-quality content. GLWT


We can have all of that and have sub 100ms render times without AMP, we just have to cut out all the bloated javascript and trackers everywhere.

Google loves AMP because they (and only they) get to still track users.


> they (and only they) get to still track users

Wrong. https://www.ampproject.org/docs/reference/components/ads/amp...


Am I misunderstanding this? It looks you you have to request the tracking data from them?


If you use Cloudflare as your CDN, is Cloudflare "siphoning your traffic"?


Does cloudflare take users to a webpage that isn't yours with a header with a button that doesn't lead to your site?


The page is still yours. You have absolute control over the branding, the analytics, the monetisation. Just because it happens not to be served from your domain doesn't mean it's not yours.

Let's also not forget that AMP is actively encouraging alternative caches: Cloudflare Ampersand[1] was announced literally an hour after my post. It's a whitelabelled AMP cache aimed at solving this exact problem.

[1]: https://www.cloudflare.com/website-optimization/ampersand/


> Just because it happens not to be served from your domain doesn't mean it's not yours.

This is exactly what means not be yours. It's Google and they lease it to you.


Yes you still control most of it. My argument is that the traffic /would/ be going to your actual site (where you aren't limited at all) but now it is going to a google AMP page with strict limitations. Which isn't great, but the big deal is that bar on top that doesn't link to your site. That is so bad for your site and massively increases the bounce rate.


That is a sticking point for me. Alternative AMP caches (with alternative UX, e.g. Ampersand generally keeps users on your site when they bounce) go some way towards solving this, but they're not (yet?) first-class ecosystem citizens:

> But these are just guidelines, and Google can’t guarantee they’re behaving well, so they’re not first-class citizens.

> I’d love for this to be something you could statically verify, just like AMP HTML, so that anybody could add a Cache to the ecosystem and get a lightning bolt on Google search results and Cloudflare links and Twitter Moments™, but I’m pretty sure this reduces to the Halting Problem.


For now.

AMP is a PROXY/MITM service, with all the perks that come from being such a service. There is nothing stopping google ,or whatever company owns them after they become a Yahoo!, from changing their "policy" to better be aligned with their interests.


As soon as Google stops providing value to publishers, they lose their power in the industry. For now, we work with what we have.


> As soon as Google stops providing value to publishers, they lose their power in the industry

As soon as Google stops providing value to publishers, they are the industry.


Node has supported all of ES6 except modules since 6.0.


Ah, this explains it. I tried to use an import statement a couple days ago and it failed, so I assumed it still wasn't supporting ES6. Good to know!


Post with more comments than upvotes are penalised as a proxy for controversiality (remember HN doesn't have downvotes for posts)


It's Datasette that created the site


Oh wow, cool!


But the charging cable can still be used for IO, as demonstrated by that new LG display


Great catch! Seems obvious since Thunderbolt can be daisy-chained.


npm treats the package.json engines field as advisory, but yarn is strict about it. maybe that's you're problem


Just need to add a Math.abs: https://www.dwitter.net/d/457


Nice, but you don't need Math.abs to stay within the 140 chars limit:

  t?i++:i=0;for(j=1080;j--;){a=b=0;k=35;for(;k--&&a*a+b*b<4;)c=a*a-b*b+i/540-2,b=2*(a*b<0?-a*b:a*b)+j/540-1,a=c;x.fillRect(i,j,1,S(k/9))}


I'd wager that most of LibreOffice's brand recognition is by people who are aware of the fork


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