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As both are private companies none of this matters if the investors of both companies are happy.

Most of the investors don’t even have a choice. Nor do all the other shareholders like employees. And the boards of Musk companies are stacked with his yes men.

Because it was old Bitcoin, which was confiscated long time ago and did 100x.

Both things cannot be true at the same time

- WhatsApp encryption is broken

- EU's and UK's Chat Control spooks demand Meta to insert backdoor because they cannot break the encryption

The Guardian has its own editorial flavour on tech news, so expect them to use any excuse to bash the subject.


Just because Adam has a back door doesn’t mean Eve also has a back door.

> EU's and UK's Chat Control spooks demand Meta to insert backdoor because they cannot break the encryption

Those are not law, so no the EU doesnt demand that


They’re just not sharing the back door with the EU?

Russian and China are already getting rid of Microsoft.

> Russian and China are already getting rid of Microsoft.

I don't know what you mean by China "getting rid of Microsoft" in the context of cloud providers. I mean, Azure is already present in China's internet, and just like any cloud provider present in China it's presence is a partnership with local cloud providers.

Russia is getting rid of Microsoft not because it has a choice. They are subjected to sanctions due to their invasion of Ukraine, and that essentially cut their access to all tech services. By that measuring stick, Russia is also getting rid of Boeing and Airbus.


The most interesting part is that they do not rely on Western software solutions (Russia still needs hardware, China may reach full autonomy soon enough). If they could do it relatively quickly, EU can do it too. And EU now has exactly the same incentives.

AWS in China doesn't have KMS


That isn't the same KMS that everyone else uses. It is approved by the CCP so has a backdoor.

While they ditch Microsoft, Amazon and Oracle: we still use Linux, Sel4, ASML and ARM.

There's lots of interesting stuff to watch out for.


What's wrong in using Linux. It is an open source project with origins in Finland and still lead by a Fin.

…who lives in Oregon, in the US.

Hey, we'd break away if we could.

I spend a month in Oregon every year mushroom hunting and elk hunting.

Once you're away from a few key cities, Oregonians are more conservative and hardcore than even central Californians.

I think you underestimate your state if you think they're anti American.


They are a pretty small part of the population though.

What is wrong with using Linux?

Linus Torvalds is very pro–corporate, pro–tivoization, he thinks GPL3 was a terrible mistake.

Is he pro-tivoization, or is he not against it?

I heard him talk about GPLv3 someday, and what he said was that it was a mistake to call it "GPLv3", as if it was the evolution of GPLv2, because for him it should have been a totally different licence.

Which I find fair: there are different kinds of copyleft (like MPL vs GPL), it makes sense to say that GPLv2 is a different concept than GPLv3. Whereas I don't know if anyone should use GPLv1 because GPLv2 sounds like it fixed GPLv1 without changing its spirit.


GPLv2 was clearly intended to let you change the software on your devices. In some countries, GPLv2 already prohibits tivoization.

However, big tech found an exploit: In some countries, GPLv2 allows tivoization. This was not intended by the authors of the GPLv2. There was another exploit involving patent licenses, and a reverse exploit about license termination that allowed some developers to extort some users. They fixed these and made it the GPLv3. It's a bugfix release, not anything new. You only don't like it if you relied on the bugs.


Well, that's not really mutually exclusive with what I said. Those who called it GPLv3 consider it's a bugfix, those who decided to stay on GPLv2 consider it's a new licence.

He is against the "GPLv3 or later clause" because the FSF could change the license terms if it gets hijacked.

He is against the GPLv3 itself. He's ideologically opposed to converting the kernel to GPLv3, even if it was possible.

Isn’t Sel4 Australian?

All of the things OP mentioned are non-US tech. I think the OP was speaking from a US perspective, though it’s not clear.

what's wrong with using european stuff? (ARM, ASML)

:P


Isn’t ARM owned by Softbank? (Japanese)

totally missed this, yep major stake is by Softbank. We europeans like to talk about sovereignty but we sell our stuff pretty easily :D

True but obv. Only lunatics would use a Russian cloud service. The interesting part is whether and what extent China is different. Also, why Europe should start treating us like Russians.

> why Europe should start treating us like Russians.

I don't know, maybe because your president is a dangerous lunatic? I really enjoy these "are we the baddies?" moments.


I’m not sure he’s getting it yet. Maybe he’s just not personally affected yet.

I usually operate under the opposite world view. If you've been personally affected by something, I no longer really trust you to be fair and honest and logical. I don't want to hear about setting speed limits from someone that lost their child in a car accident.

Was that not an imperative statement agreeing with your cathartic comment? A little weird there isn't an explicit "this is why", but asking questions with a poorly conjugated why along with bad punctuation isn't usually a native speakers habit.

They said in a follow-up comment that they intentionally wrote something ambiguous, so… I don’t know, I wouldn’t waste too many cycles on comments that are deliberately unclear.

> The interesting part is whether and what extent China is different

Much worse for the EU, both strategically and economically. You’ll be able to buy Chinese services and give them your data and money, but you won’t be able to operate in their market. Germany is feeling the pain there. [1] Strategically they’re a Russian ally and are actively supporting Russia’s war against Ukraine and further aims against the EU.

Something like Russia -> China -> US as worst to least worst partners.

The EU should invest in technical and military capabilities and divest from reliance on other countries and echos the US American position very closely.

[1] For example https://www.autoblog.com/features/germanys-auto-industry-is-...


Are you asking a rhetorical question or making a statement?

Ambiguity is a thing.

I was asking for the other commenters, to clear that up.

> why Europe should start treating us like Russians

Because your CEOs have become power players in your politics and that’s generally a Russian/Oligarch thing.

Like Apple trying to wiggle their way out of the DMA and when their bs arguments fail in court they send peach daddy with tariffs and what not.


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The massive sanctions he's placing on Russian oil make that impossible to believe.

Those can also be explained by favouring usa/venezuela oil while still supporting Russian politics. For example: in the Ukraine war he is constantly seeking ways and arguments to support putins position even though he is one of the few leaders worldwide who do this.

They're not favouring - they're even enforcing secondary sanctions on Russian oil on China and India, which is difficult and expensive.

The fact that you can divine pro-Putin things from his speech means nothing compared to him performing massively powerful economic action against Putin.


These sanctions make no difference, except make people say things like you say.

I think it is fair to separate putin and russia. I mean, I don't think he uses our society as proxy for his own ego. I think he really likes Putin.

The Trump administrations political positions are effectively a one to one match with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics which Putin aligns strongly with. Knowingly or not, Trump has been a tremendous asset to Russian geopolitics in every sphere.

You must be one of the few who still believes what Trump says to the media after nearly 100k proven lies.

Is that because there are no primary or secondary sanctions? Or are you just ignoring what I'm saying?

You are ignoring Trump literally adopting Russian proposals and demands in that war as they are. Trump and america flipped sides, seeing Russia as admirable peer and Ukraine as someone who should shut up and put up.

Trump want deals with russia to enrich himself. For that he needs Ukraine to loose. Bad thing is Putin does not have enough, he wants the rest of Europe too.


Chinese should be excited about this idea then!

There is some fat in the system that likely needs to cut off.

Here is Google complaint about not serving lobster biscue:

https://x.com/Andercot/status/1768346257486184566?s=20

Zero interest rate phenomenon.


This is likely the first time many have not experienced a widespread economic crash since 2008.

We could get another 2008-like market crash before 2030, once the major AI companies begin to IPO onto the public markets.


Reminder: this tweet could be totally made up.

Also lobster (or any other seafood) bisque isn't really expensive in the scheme of things.

At least we get Visual Studio Code for free

Yeah they baited everyone, blocked Python and C# plugins and then closed down their marketplace to 3rd party editors. Classic EEE tactic.

Some useful tech has come out of the development of VS Code that every other editor has been able to benefit from but I don’t rate it much as an editor any more.

It’s rare for MS to do just the embrace and extend part of EEE, unless Copilot is the latent implementation of ‘extinguish’.


Other than what they're doing to the whole Open Source ecosystem by buying github, stealing all the code for their AI regardless of license, renaming multiple adjacent things to "Github *".

It's vendor lock-in. Same for Microsoft, SAP, Oracle, etc.

It would cost too much for customers to switch.


the post doesn't say this though..

One reason is that architecture and maintenance are much simpler

Luckily there is little vendor lock in and likes of https://opencode.ai/ are picking up the slack

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