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No interest in this exactly, but I am interested in the idea that third parties are now targeting the Framework form factor explicitly to sell upgrades/replacements outside of the Framework marketplace.

Yeah, there’s a lot of critiques of the product/packaging/etc, but this feels like huge validation of the Framework model - this is an unrelated 3rd party looking to get a chip in consumer hands who decided to use the FW chassis. That’s Exactly what we all were hoping for when Framework first launched.

Yeah this is what annoyed me about Pine64's Pinebook Pro 2 plans... No upgrade kits, they wanted to completely change the form factor!

The chassis of my PBP is great (brittle plastic notwithstanding)! That's the last thing I want to replace in the device.


More ewaste. I have first one, chasis/screen good, hardware shit, software unsupported. Abandoned by everybody. Collecting dust.

Yeah I genuinely don't understand why they didn't consider fast tracking rk3588S boards for a retrofit. Drivers weren't good for a while, but they weren't hopeless either.

Its about time, I hope System76 comes up with their own version of the Framework laptop, because I would love to buy a laptop where I can swap out all internals, motherboard etc. but I really also want to work with System76 because I love what they are doing with POP_OS! (though I prefer arch these days, I can still use their Desktop environment etc) and love that they make Linux hardware specifically.

We have needed a "Jeep of Laptops" for a while, maybe someone needs to spec out a fully open source design that any manufacturer can target.


> We have needed a "Jeep of Laptops" for a while, maybe someone needs to spec out a fully open source design that any manufacturer can target.

I'm not sure if this counts in your book, but releasing all this stuff is closer than anyone else is to that dream.

> https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Framework-Laptop-16


You can always just throw money at them for Pop!_OS[1] (which is what I did when I bought my Framework 13 and installed Pop on it).

1: https://system76.com/donate/


> We have needed a "Jeep of Laptops" for a while, maybe someone needs to spec out a fully open source design that any manufacturer can target.

That is the MNT Reform.


Honestly a Framework+System76 merger would make a lot of sense. System76 cares about the software but uses whitelabeled hardware. Framework has done excellent hardware engineering but doesn't care much about the software.

I don't know that it's fair to say Framework don't care much about the software. Their oldest devices are still getting firmware updates. At any rate, Pop!_OS runs very well on Framework Laptops (though I use Arch + Hyprland, w/ Windows on their storage expansion card).

That's a bit of a hot take considering all the donations they've been making to OSS projects. Sure, maybe they're not making Yet Another Distro but they're donating to and upstreamimg patches to things that everyone (including PopOS) uses.

To me, that's far from not caring about the software. Especially when you compare to other vendors like Pine.


To be clear, this wasn't an attempt at a diss on Framework. They're what my recommended laptop has been for the past ~3 years (and would be what I got if I hadn't gotten my most recent laptop before frameworks were widely available).

What I probably should have said is that System76 takes open software ridiculously seriously in the same way that Framework takes open hardware ridiculously seriously. On the scale of Linux laptops, Framework is on par with Dell and Lenovo (the best of the big OEMs) in terms of upstreaming patches etc.

System76 OTOH is completely crazy. They've put Coreboot on their laptops, built their own DE because they got tired of Ubuntu not shipping proper nvidia drivers, etc.


There’s also this RISC V thing, I ordered one in July and got mine in November.

I could transplant the desktop model I got into my original framework, but I haven’t attempted it.

https://store.deepcomputing.io/products/dc-roma-ai-pc-risc-v...


That's really cool. What's it like to use in terms of performance and software compatibility?

it has a few issues, I think jeffgeerling sums it up fairly well.

https://github.com/geerlingguy/sbc-reviews/issues/82

"Like the Pi 4, I think this system is the first RISC-V desktop environment that isn't painful to use, just inconvenient. Actions still have delays, but the delays are more reasonable, and don't make me constantly question if the computer's frozen."

also some really odd choices by Eswin for the eic7702x, which is essentially 2 p550 chips glued together.


Apple: "We can't make great products if we don't completely control everything"

Framework: "Let us show you how it is done!"


Apples integration of products leaves framework in the first

Looking at the comparison btw M class machines and the Minisforum MS-R1 that is the same chip, I'm not sure Apple is being proved wrong here.

How is CIX CP8180 the same chip as any of the Apple M chips?.

Also, a very different approach to GPU.


That is interesting.

I wish someone made a keyboard that doesn’t suck, ideally split as well.



Very cool!

Although to be pedantic, that's not an "ortholinear" keyboard (as in a square grid) rather a keyboard with column stagger (which you should use).

I wonder if you could make it for a FW13 too? I know QMK doesn't work for 13.

Edit: I see now that it uses a separate microcontroller, so yes if you could make it fit then it should work.


It also bothers me that the meaning of "ortholinear" has been lost, but at least it's a sign that the hobby has grown to a certain point.

It should be possible to make a dumb version of such a keyboard wired the same as the stock one, just with the keys moved around. It would need some OS configuration to be truly useful, though.

Yes, something like that. Ideally for a reasonably sized 13-14” laptop.

Similar to a sibling comment, and perhaps not really applicable (since this isn't a company making something people can buy...), but the MNT Reform is amenable to fitting a custom/ergonomic keyboard also (I hadn't seen the Framework in the sibling comment, it looks very cool!).

I don't know how to link to it directly, but midway down this article there's a picture and some more links of an MNT Reform (apparently completely home-built) with a very cool, "thumb-centric", column staggered ergo keyboard:

https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2022-07-01-july-update.htm...

(search for "More great mods from the community..." heading if interested)

I would very much like to have a keyboard like either of those on my laptop. The stares you'd get when in public!!


Just made a top-level comment about the same thing.

A big part of the core functionality of a laptop, as opposed to a PC, is is that of a typewriter:

* Notes in class

* Minutes in a meeting

* Entries in a journal or travelogue

* Writing the next great novel

etc.

Why have manufacturers simply taken that away from us, in favor of a terrible excuse with ridiculous tactile feedback?


I actually like short travel very light linear switches, mechanical or not.

I don’t like row stagger and non-split keyboards, for ergonomic reasons. That’s definitely a niche preference, but if anyone would cater to it you’d expect it to be Framework or similar.


You're right that Framework is exactly where I would expect flexibility on this: I mean, just looking at their landing page - you see a laptop without the keyboard and ports. Framework offers 176 (!) kinds of "keyboards":

https://frame.work/marketplace/keyboards

but not one decent keyboard. Why?

(Answer: it's basically just keyboard covers, and the many options are due to variations of colors and languages. But I would take a hot pink / toxic green keyboard with ancient tibetan labels if the keys were non-chicklet, with decent travel, sizes, and feedback. 7 rows if possible.)


Overhead of small volume manufacturing. If they make all those variations and intend to continue existing as a company that makes money selling things, it would have to be at a price where no one's going to buy one. But if I start an Etsy store selling one-offs at $399 each, people can grumble about my price, but it's not on Framework.

UHK ultimate hacker keyboard

I already have a Corne and a Glove80. I'd like something built into a laptop as well.

Exactly. This is exactly we get in return for compromising on quality and price with framework. Other tech is cheaper because of planned obsolescence or lock in. Im glad to pay more money to have this freedom

My first thought was, "How many units could they possibly expect to sell given this target?"

FTA: “the company has introduced a mainboard that can be installe in the Framework Laptop 13 or in a mini PC case“

⇒ their market likely isn’t enormous, but it is larger than that of Framework Laptop owners.


Sounds like the board also somehow works inside a mini-itx chassis or something?

Given it's a Framework 13 mainboard, you can probably put it in any Framework 13-compatible enclosure:

https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case https://frame.work/products/framework-laptop-13-mainboard-ho... https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Framework-Laptop-13

etc., lots of designs available.


The Legion Go is basically that with some joycons and a screen. I keep mine in my entertainment center when I'm not using it handheld, and play plastic instrument games on the big screen.

Looks like this would be an easy entry point to a DIY Steam Machine that takes up ~no space under your TV.


Wow. That's amazing truly. They really are entirely open source. You can even 3D print one.

It's not standard mini-itx. Since the physical form factors for their laptop boards are published publicly and are somewhat stable, are "desktop" cases for them.

Succession, Hacks, The Last of Us, White Lotus and Euphoria have all been recent buzzy TV hits for HBO post Game of Thrones

I don't like they buried their own show, Westworld, to fuck the actors on residuals

Valkey is not blessed by antirez. Antirez is back working at Redis and even committed an entirely new feature himself for Redis 8 under the new license which is not in Valkey.

For his return to redis: https://antirez.com/news/144

On his new vector sets feature: https://antirez.com/news/149


I did get that mixed up, thanks for correcting.

Also https://valkey.io/topics/history/


Have you tried waypipe? Does it not fit your use case?

Last time I tested this, which was a few years ago, it worked just fine. But to be fair, this is not part of my workflow, just something I was testing out of curiosity.

If it doesn't do what you need for whatever reason, then I understand, but it just not true at all that the Wayland ecosystem has not been addressing these use cases.


I did try waypipe, but unfortunately there was both a significant memory cost and network overhead that does not exist with ssh -x.

To be fair I am using it in a very niche and limited way, but it still sucks to see it get pushed out in an ecosystem that is supposed to be all about maintaining support for niche systems.

Not to go off on a tangent, but over the last decade or so I feel like Windows has been better about making sure things keep working than modern distros have.


The Brexit referendum was not binding and the decision with what to do with the results, if anything, was still entirely left to parliament.


Surely revising the numbers downward close to election when people are paying most attention to them is exactly the opposite thing you would want to do to get re-elected? I'd argue the motivation for malfeasance only makes sense the opposite -- BLS does not want the administration reelected and thus is releasing worse numbers close to the election.


The scandal of never having released the numbers and a future administration finding out and publicizing it is way worse than just admitting it up front and hoping no one cares. Mark my words, when it comes to media pundits, they'll still use the old numbers from the original publications, and everyone will just go along. That's how these things work.


We can seriously say that, yes. The courts have been saying this in the US for over 30 years. See Midler v. Ford Motor Co.


Tom Waits won a lawsuit against Doritos too.


There are two similar famous cases I know offhand. Probably there are more.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

Bette Middler successfully sued Ford for impersonating her likeness in a commercial.

Then also:

https://casetext.com/case/waits-v-frito-lay-inc

Tom Waits successfully sued Frito Lay for using an imitator without approval in a radio commercial.

The key seems to be that if someone is famous and their voice is distinctly attributeable to them, there is a case. In both of these cases, the artists in question were also solicited first and refused.


Also Crispin Glover's case in Back to the Future II

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/bac...


Both cases seem to have also borrowed from the artists’ songs too however. That could perhaps make a difference.


Bette Midler and Tom Waits didn't control their songs when they sued the companies.


But it makes it more likely that the listener will associate the commercial with the artist than just using the voice.


The Midler v. Ford decision said her voice was distinctive. Not the song.

OpenAI didn't just use a voice like Scarlett Johansson's. They used it in an AI system they wanted people to associate with AI from movies and the movie where Johansson played an AI particularly.[1][2]

[1] https://blog.samaltman.com/gpt-4o

[2] https://x.com/sama/status/1790075827666796666


True to an extent. I'd argue that celebrity of a certain level would make one's voice recognizable and thus confusion can happen.


What if the imitator is clearly an imitator? e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvF0l8RUGQ8


That's weird -- I would think Morgan Freeman would be able to sue over that, but I Am Not An Intellectual Property Lawyer.


I feel like that's a little different. In the cases of Midler, Waits, and Johansson, the companies involved wanted to use their voices, were turned down, and then went with an imitator to make it seem to the audience that the celebrity was actually performing. In the case of this "Morgan Freeman" video, Freeman himself is very obviously not performing: the imitator appears on screen, so it's explicitly acknowledged in the ad.

But I'm not a lawyer of any sort either, so... ::shrug::


The Tom Waits case had a payout of 2.6 million for services with fair market cost of 100k. What would it cost openai to train chatgpt using her voice? Is she also going to get a payout 26 times that? That GPU budget is starting to look inexpensive...


You would have to argue the distinctiveness of the voice (if they hadn’t already pursued her to do it). Tom Waits…that’s pretty distinct voice. Scarlett Johansson…not so much


He worked there for 5 years. It probably didn't feel "random" for him.


There is already precedent of this, where it was overt. Tom Waits, owner of a very distinctive vocal style, famously successfully sued Frito-Lay for making a commercial that used a singer that sounded too much like him. This was in the 80s, well before the Web or Generative AI.


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