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This community is toxic and drives good but flawed people away.


A talented asshole is a net liability. An untalented, nontoxic person can become a valuable contributor with the right training and mentoring.


Additionally, an asshole can drive away multiple people.

Even if an asshole is three times as productive as your typical contributor, they can easily drive away ten people.

Not to mention the morality of pedestalling creeps.


Except that these 10 people never materialize if someone who has made 10 "wrong" statements in a decade is canceled.

Which is why cancel tactics are employed only in mature code bases, and the 10 people who do materialize are power hungry bureaucrats who associate themselves with the work of others for financial gain.


Surely this is not the case if the talented asshole has already contributed in a massively vast way to the team / society.


Never apologize to the mob. It emboldens them.


#nostradamus


Quite a few of the people seem to subscribe to the same ideology though.


> I'm sorry -- are Trump supporters not able to speak any more?

Try it. You'll be censored, down voted (real votes or not), shadow banned and actually banned.

> To my knowledge that is not at all the case. There's even one subreddit dedicated to asking Trump supporters questions, although posts have to be approved by the moderators.

I doubt there are any left given that they can't post anywhere.


Reddit was great for a long time even when it was one of the largest most popular sites on the internet. Then it became a political platform for the US democrats.


/r/politics is extremely US "normie Democrat voter" (which does not align with the actual party, it's different and sometimes worse) but the popular financial subs like WSB/investing certainly aren't.

This is just a passing trend though, 10 years ago everyone on the internet was libertarian. Which is how you knew the internet wasn't real. Nobody's actually a libertarian in real life.


> Nobody's actually a libertarian in real life.

I'm going to assume what you mean is that nobody lives entirely by Libertarian ideals. While that may be true, it's true of every other political category as well, so I guess nobody is anything under that logic.


Almost nobody claims to be a libertarian or gets elected by the party. Justin Amash and Ron Paul are maybe the only famous politicians.

On the internet there's that political compass site that tells people they're libertarians, but it was made by libertarians so I think it's a recruiting tool.

But it's also true that people don't practice it in real life. Drug legalization, yes, that's going somewhere if slowly, but the right wing libertarians still tend to be NIMBY in local politics.


I don't know where you get these ideas. I was participating both online and offline in Libertarian communities.


Is the point of libertarianism to participate in a community? (Maybe it is.)

They haven't, like, done anything though. Not many politicians elected, no drugs legalized, noone freed from prison, state control over people generally not reduced. I have heard of a few attempts to start libertarian cities that failed because you can't get a Walmart when your taxes are too low to construct a sewer line.


Kinda sorta. Reddit is an odd place on the internet. It's on average really really conservative but full people who distance themselves from the political identity of "conservative" or "Republican."

Reddit is where you go if you begrudgingly vote Democrat but think that liberals and progressives have gone too far.

I do wonder what the political landscape is going to look like in the next decade if/when Republicans realize that there's huge huge swaths of young and young-ish people they could easily convert if they just dropped all the gods & guns & murica branding and gave up on social issues.


No that's not it.

Practically nothing makes it to the front page organically these days. It's all orchestrated.


...no.


I've tried posting a few times but it just doesn't work. Absolutely everything is censored or sent to auto moderation immediately. And I'm not posting anything remotely controversial. E.g. one time I moved to a new place and wondered about banking in that location. Nope, can't post that. Even worse, messages look like they're posted when they're actually not visible. It's dishonest. They're orchestrating the conversation based on what they want you to see.


They also don't allow you to find posts that are beyond the last 1000 or so for that subreddit. Everything beyond that point gets memory holed. They've recreated the retention problem that usenet.

If you want to find older posts you have to use a search engine.


> It was a single time

That we know of that he admitted.


He's been remarkably open every time he's changed user content (once with a post in 200...7? I think, and the single time he edited comments).

I don't like reddit, and I don't like spez for other reasons (downgraded from Lisp to Python), but what he did was literally just a harmless joke. All reddit posts and comments are publicly archived by services like pushshift; we'd know if they had a habit of doing this.


> He's been remarkably open every time he's changed user content

I have no stake in this story, but how could you, or anyone, possibly know that?


As he mentioned in his comment, there are plenty of reddit thread archivers, especially on popular subreddits.

But I also have no stakes here.


Everything on reddit is archived roughly as soon as it's posted. Any manipulation can therefore be spotted just by looking at an archive.


> remarkably open every time he's changed user content

Are you sarcastic? This is logically a very useless statement due to the nature of trust. Once trust was broken it’s hard to obtain because does clearly lied about other things, why should he be trusted now that he’s been caught.

“I’ve been remarkably open about all the extra marital affairs where I’ve been caught, please trust there are no others.”

“I’ve been remarkably open about all the robberies where I was convicted, please trust that there are no others.”

Etc etc.

I would feel foolish even presenting any unsound logic and can’t even think of a situation where it would be relevant to trust. Officiated lie detector? Sodium pentathol administered by an adversarial government? Testimony under oath?


The trust was never broken. He neither denied nor tried to hide that he changed the post. No one caught him, he did it in broad daylight.

If you have extra marital sex right in front of your spouse, that is no indication that you are hiding secret affairs.

If you walk into a police station and tell them you robbed the bank across the street, there is no reason to believe you have secretly robbed many others.


Everything on reddit is archived roughly as soon as it's posted. Any manipulation can therefore be spotted just by looking at an archive.


And who is reviewing the archives for everything, all the time, looking for diffs?


A handful of services automatically show diffs. reddit only really deletes stuff, it doesn't care about changing them.


You’re saying he was open about it in all the cases that are public. Kind of like the NSA has been open about all its tools that we know about.


Everything on reddit is archived roughly as soon as it's posted. Any manipulation can therefore be spotted just by looking at an archive.


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