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> They were using LP immediately following a previous LP security incident

“Yeah, but they fixed that!”

Normies don’t pull the historical list of breaches and vulns.

They just read headlines.


> I wish we could spend as much time on native application development as we do on horribly crippled and slow browser application development.

But native to what?

Windows is no longer the commonality between all users.

The browser has that role, now.

> We want people to remain online under any circumstance

Webapps often have offline-first functionality,

which is one of the biggest strengths of a progressive web app.


browsers aren't common either. Standards, formats, and interfaces are, which is exactly what WASM is and what this demonstrates. Native apps don't need a common operating system or even a common core like nix. They just need to support a common interface, like browsers do.

It’s fission, not fusion:

https://www.esgdive.com/news/meta-inks-nuclear-deals-terrapo...

…and if they do all of this, it’ll be closer to $20B than 10!


The broader market still sees it as a speculative investment.

&

This is a recession period.


The best part is that the show you’re referencing is on Jeff Bezos’ TV network.

Being an employee of Google doesn’t give them any sway over my board position at an animal rescue,

or anywhere else,

unless my contract and pay reflects that.


Pretty sure that the agreement that Google employees sign (a "contract") when hired reflects exactly that. At least at did when I joined (I left > 3 years ago, speaking here only for myself...)

Is it legal (or moral) for an employer to keep you from being a board member of a dog rescue or a glove repair company without review?

The answer is not that it matters, but as a matter of financial and legal controls they need to know and approve. Do they care? They probably are delighted, but also want to get all the paperwork set up to avoid problems.

The space this comes from is the legal undue influence side where they need to give notice to shareholders about potential conflicts of interest, and it needs to be in the form of having a clear positive audit trail that they have told people to follow a clear policy with no grey area so that any deviation is an accident not willful failure to get people to tell them.


In California, no. Under Labor Code section 96(k), you generally cannot be disciplined or fired for engaging in legal outside of work activities. If they do, you can sue for lost wages.

The obvious answer is that "obvious lines" aren't at all obvious at the scale of Google.

Googlers are well paid, and that pay reflects this.


People said the same thing about non-compete agreements.

Sorry, not buying that’s for anyone’s good.


I don't understand your point.

What I'm saying is that it might be "obvious" that it's ok to volunteer for a dog rescue group.

Is it equally as ok to volunteer to raise money for a dog rescue group operating in Gaza?

What about other charities operating in Gaza? What about in Israeli occupied territories?


That's political speech, and specifically protected in California outside of work. If you fire your employee for political activities outside of work, you still have to pay them, because they're going to sue you for lost wages, and win.

> I don't understand your point.

Then you don’t know the history of the non-compete agreement in the tech industry.

For decades, people were wringing their hands and holding themselves back from living well because they couldn’t possibly work for another software company after Google, Microsoft, whomever - because the contract stated they couldn’t work for competitors.

Well, then States showed up and said “that’s not even legal”, and people stopped handwringing.

But before, it looked very much like this thread.

If I was working for a dentist, none of your questions would be viable (let alone reasonable) for the employer to be asking.


California has had a ban on noncompetes since the gold rush.


Legally, yes. I mean it still depends on a lot of things but mostly at will employment contracts will have clauses about such things. You will have to get approval from legal before you can get on a board of even a dog rescue or a glove repair company. A practical consideration is simple like if you are a google exec and you are on board of a dog rescue company and that company gets hit with allgeations that you are just shooting all the dogs and selling their meat to some foreign nation. News will cover it as "Google Exec on Board of Evil Dog Rescue Company" so you extend that repuation risk to Google as well since you are actively employed there. Obviously an extereme example but that's the kind of logic they think of.

Morals imo often have nothing to do with law, but fairness does.


> if you are a google exec

But that’s not who is being discussed. Why create a new topic?

If a low-level employee is part of a rescue accused of shooting all of the dogs, that’s just another day.

> News will cover it as "Google Exec on Board of Evil Dog Rescue Company" so you extend that repuation risk to Google as well since you are actively employed there

No problem with a standard morality clause in the contract, so they can pull the plug when you embarrass them.

I do have a problem with the idea that I need to check in with my employer every time I take a shit in my personal life.


Its not a new topic, the same applies for any employee as well. And no that's not just another day from the pov of google. That example was too extreme but even for minor things that can be a security concern etc if they are in active positions like that.

Also we are not talking about pooping? Why change the topic?


I like your shooting all of the dogs example.

That’s why I went with it - yes, a one-of-thousands engineer (or janitor, for that matter) from Google who also headed or even founded a dog shelter that shot all of the dogs is non-news, as far as Google and their legal team are concerned.

Same as an employee’s “pooping”.

Enforce or enact a morality clause, or explicitly pay me not to do things - beyond that, my business after hours is mine.


Another way to frame that question is: Should we remove the right for people to enter into such contracts?

"Right" is a pretty dubious way of framing it when basically every company works this way. You don't really have any choice in the matter. Passing a law about this wouldn't be removing any rights of individuals any more than we "removed" their right to enter a contract for pay lower than minimum wage or with unsafe working conditions.

A more fair way of phrasing it would be to say that we should remove the right of companies to require it.


If you wanted you could also require companies to make this an option in the contract, which would it clear how much they are actually willing to pay for restricting peoples freedom outside of work in this way and gives employees the option of deciding if that tradeoff is worth it for them. I think that companies would not be willing to pay all that much for this if they couldn't just force it on everyone.

> follow the proper release procedures for it

What happens when your thing

or nothing close to your thing

will ever see the light of day?


1. If google said ok but don't release under google’s name/in google’s repo, do that.

2. If google said no this goes against our goals for the product, don't release it if you want to keep working for google?


It was clearly greenlighted by management. The person who made the announcement was Addy Osmani, who was manager of the fired developer at the time.

This is in a Google-owned organization, with several other similar repositories, a lot of them using the same API.


Looks like Addy Osmani is leaving, too.

Is that relevant here,

given that Google was creating an official thing

quite close to his thing

at the same time?

(And why are we writing like this?)


Fair to point out,

the official google thing,

was quite a lot worse

than his thing.

(I’m quite into the whole “Posting in free verse” idea)


Would you like them

in a house?

Would you like them

with a mouse?


AI am Sam ...

Sam AI am ...

My program made green eggs and ham ...


Is there a smell of toast burning where you are?

> Google was creating an official thing quite close to his thing

Just link to it.


It's mentioned in the original link for this post.

None of that is relevant. You're working on things for their employer, they control when and if anything is released. Most of us have worked on projects that were cancelled - even when that happens you don't just release it anyway.

> they control when and if anything is released

I don’t think that’s how APIs work at all.

Upon reflection, the only thing this guy did wrong was put his name on the thing…


So, Eyeball Coin?

Oh hell no. Biometrics on a blockchain are a terrible idea. But web of trust stuff along the same lines as https://github.com/CirclesUBI/whitepaper, figuring out where PGP went wrong and getting it right, yeah.

I'm not really excited about blockchains at all actually. They put you in the wrong sector of the design space that falls out of the CAP theorem. CRDT's and partition tolerance however, I think there's something useful in there.


These comparisons misunderstand, or perhaps underestimate, how markets work.

Demand for cannabis and alcohol is ubiquitous, strong.

Demand for each individual betting market, diminishingly rare.

Good luck finding the bookie at work or in your college class taking $10k in action on whether the Shah of Iran is still the Shah next week…

Banning the clearnet-based convenience, scale and breadth of market participants these services offer would immediately put a huge dent in most markets - non-sport especially.

Whether the black market and cryptocurrency-based sites outside of the clearnet would start to fill in, remains to be seen.

There has never been anything near the scale of Poly or Kalshi on “darkweb”.


The regulation has gone the opposite direction, recently.

It was regulated.


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