My personal experience with bars is the ratio still isn't great at face-value (counting men vs women) and even worse when you dive deeper to consider the girls-night-out groups with women interested exclusively at spending time with their friends rather than looking for their partner (think bachelorette parties with half the girls in stable relationships).

Men (and women?) in IRL situations must overcome the barrier of: "is this person single or is their bf at home or in the bathroom"? Whereas dating apps provide an explicit context as to why both people are there.

> Bars do work way better

Bars are great if you want to meet bargoing people. Personally, it seems more like selecting for an alcoholic, although that might say more about me than the people I meet at bars?

I am not sure I would recommend going to bars to find a partner.

>selecting for an alcoholic

That's really stretching it, having any disdain for any alcohol consumption. Having a drink in a bar to decompress after work is hardly being an alcoholic.

Settle down - I didn’t disdain - I had hoped the tongue-in-cheek was somewhat obvious.

I am talking about my opinion, in my country, at my age, at the bars I go to, for my definition of alcoholic.

I think that as an average, alcoholics would rather not waste their money paying for alcohol in bars. Drinking cheap is more important than socializing fore people with an actual addiction.